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Postby Dark Angel » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:17 am

So I'm bored at work and Im tired of only seeing stuff for sale on here.

What do you guys think of the latest ADR that will be used at nationals? I am personally quite disappointed as it is too much of no brainer to take it for almost all factions and will narrow the field of casters.

I am struggling personally to figure out what to put in my sideboard, its not as easy to use as you might think and while Trolls have lots of options you need to be clear on when to use what and what must come out of the list to make it happen.

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Re: ADR

Postby Lego-Pup » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:54 am

I think it will be interesting for sure. For some factions I think it is a no brainer as you say *cough* Legion *cough*. Not so much for some of the others.

For my factions, cygnar and cryx, it's that toss up between 20pts of specialists and taking the powerhouses (H2, H3, Denny1, Lich2 etc).

Currently i'm also testing out ADR and I'm having similar issues to what you mention. Struggling to figure out what the list might need and then trying to figure out what to switch out and when. Definitely not as easy as it first appears. I do get the feeling though that if you can get in enough practice, and figure it out, that the 20pt sideboard is super strong.
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Re: ADR

Postby joppie » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:37 pm

Mine is the casters I wanna play anyway, so only good things.

As to narrowing of field of casters, yes this is major issue, but most of those casters you would have seen anyway, and now they can change almost half their army. My EHexeris list I know what I want in sideboard, but for PMorghoul, I got no idea
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Re: ADR

Postby und_ed » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:39 pm

This season really screams "go ADR or go home"

While Legion and Cygnar are the clear winners, every faction (except for Retribution, sorry knife-ears) has a very strong ADR selection, and I think you'd be foolish to not bring ADR when you're going to face such strong casters with 20 points of specialists.

That being said, I am absutely loving Goreshade3 in ADR. It's not easy getting your lists right, but once they click it's like magic.
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Re: ADR

Postby Rorrak » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:59 pm

ADR is supposed to create diversity by getting lesser used casters on to the table.

This season its doing the opposite. I believe it would be foolish to play outside of ADR, so we pretty much know who is coming. I thought about that for a bit and seriously considered breaking that and picking non ADR casters because no one would expect that. Except while doing the exercise I realized that I gained no advantage because the ADR casters are so good and that 20 points of sideboard easily countered my advantage of surprise.

I'm fairly comfortable with one of my builds already. I'm actually considering all 4 of my casters. Their builds will change depending who their partner in crime is, because you need to take lists that will be complimentary to other lists. One of my options is very dependent on my models clearing the post office fairly soon so I can get started on painting :)

Cygnar are the problem child here for me. Any build I come up with for the other factions is countered by P-Haley. (The witch!!)
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Re: ADR

Postby Dark Angel » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:05 pm

Cygnar got a really strong ADR hand. I really cannot fathom why they would group eCaine with pHayley.

On my trolls side of things, trolls got good casters but they also are a faction where the army kind of can run it's self so the ability to add utility to the sideboard is golden.

I really hate that it is almost a no brainer (in my view) for most factions to go ADR. Why would you break ADR for? B3 maybe as a Khador player?
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Re: ADR

Postby Total Gee » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:51 pm

So why would I not ADR as a player?

1.) There is no purfication on the ADR list, so that pMorv would be looking tasty as a Circle player. *besides Lukunt*
2.) As a troll player. We dont have EE or Ruins...the best pairing in trolls at them moment
3.) As a RoS player, having no access to eVyros is rough


At the end of the day though, I think that 20 point side board is stronger than any of those reasons, with enough practice, and trust me it takes three times as long to practice a ADR list than it does a normal list.

I have seen people not use there side board, or even worse side board totally wrong.

You have to have a strong knowledge of what each swap does to the synergy of your list, what your opponents ADR thoughts will probably be, and generally a good idea of your opponents casters play style.

I played ADR season 1 with trolls, and that 20 point side board made all the difference when it came down to it. Two of my games, would of been terrible matches. I was able to side in armor crack and go 3-0.

Some people see ADR as PP letting the lessor casters shine, I have never seen it that way.

Personally I love ADR, as it removes even more RPS from the game. I would love every one to ADR but it is harsh on newer players.

I see it as two options bring an ADR pairing or your two best casters. The two best caster option will be stronger if you have less time to practice.
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Re: ADR

Postby joppie » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:53 pm

I expect maybe 1 haley at nationals. cygnar isnt so popular these days
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Re: ADR

Postby Total Gee » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:54 pm

Played Ruins again last night....

2 walls, 4 points, 2'' extended deployment, and 5 fury on my KSB > 20 points side board

,.....so goood
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Re: ADR

Postby und_ed » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:15 pm

Runes of war is just so nasty into Legion... hard to put the curb-stomping puppy in the back yard.

Luckily Cryx has such a deep pool of tourney-level casters, I don't feel I'm gimping myself at all sticking to ADR.
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Re: ADR

Postby Rorrak » Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:05 pm

Robert pointed something out to me. The ADR casters for some factions are samey. IE. Both lists you build could end up being not that complimentary to each other.

Example. 2-Kreoss and High Reclaimer lists are countered by the same enemy list so you can't really bring those two as a pair but I feel you DO want to bring one of these two in your pairing.

Feora typically is not flexible in her build. So you are probably looking at 1-Sevvy as the other list, but Feora answers so many questions, but not paired with the above two.

High Reclaimer definitely wants Aiyana and Holt. However after this weekend's tourney Sevvy really wants them too. (Dam ghosts)

Tough decisions. I really need to decide soon because my painting schedule will be affected by the choice.
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Re: ADR

Postby CircleofDaemons » Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:13 am

That is the issue I am having deciding on whether to circle ADR or not, the casters individually are great but do not pair well together.
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Re: ADR

Postby Dark Angel » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:47 pm

The Eli really does not like ADR. Controversial I know But I hate it.
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Re: ADR

Postby Rorrak » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:58 pm

I like the concept. I don't like that they have made this one all the strong casters.
Their initial thinking was to get lesser used models on to the tables. Even stated as such.

All 4 of my casters are regular tournament goers anyway. So now it appears that the goal is to sell more models.
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Re: ADR

Postby Total Gee » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:26 am

I like it, it just takes to much play testing to iron out. Yeah I think it sells more models, but your best options for most factions are still not season3 ADR.
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