10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:03 am

IMPORTANT NOTE:

Attached are the latest and (barring any necessary clarifications) final mission packs.

These were distributed in various whatsapp chatgroups, but different people have had different copies at different times.

PLEASE pay specific attention to wording of:

Composition
VSF Detachment requirements and penalties
VSF Traits, Relics and Powers - and their respective requirements and penalties.


PLEASE overwrite all existing files- and use these. Each of these documents are the most recent. There are minor changes in all - including the mission pack.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:36 am

Brin,

I just did a checksum of the files you posted just now, vs. the files that were uploaded by Ultima that I had saved on my machine. They are identical (literally have the same checksum and file comparison software shows they are identical). It would appear that all files posted in this annoucement thread have been current/your most recent upload isnt' different from Ultima's (tristan?), or if it is the draft like you said, you just re-uploaded the draft.


So at least, all of my questions so far in the thread still stand.

Noticed there was not actually an answer to a previous question:

For mission 3 Tertiary objective Damned if you do damned if you don't[ can a unit with the weapon that is "fire it and you lose seven points" fire it's other weapons, aside from the one that is affected by this Tertiary Objective?

Your post earlier said "I thought I took that out" but the "new" file you uploaded still has this same tertiary objective.

Does having 19 command points knock you back 10 for comp or 15? The chart has 16-19 as -10, then 19+ being -15 comp.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:54 am

I thought you were talking about the strat because you mentioned the "choose to ignore the rule that requires firing all weapons that can fire," - which isn't actually a rule-book rule, but instead the "Weapons Sabotaged" stratagem. In the case of this stratagem- yes, "weapon type" refers to the same specific weapon. So, "boltguns" or "plasma guns" or "pulse carbines" or whatever.

"For mission 3 Tertiary objective Damned if you do damned if you don't[ can a unit with the weapon that is "fire it and you lose seven points" fire it's other weapons, aside from the one that is affected by this Tertiary Objective?"

Not entirely sure how it could otherwise be interpreted that firing a weapon that was not selected triggers the condition for this Tertiary. But, in short: "Yes".

"Does having 19 command points knock you back 10 for comp or 15? The chart has 16-19 as -10, then 19+ being -15 comp."

Should be 16-18. 19+ (which is for the VSFD) is -15.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:11 am

Brindley U wrote:I thought you were talking about the strat because you mentioned the "choose to ignore the rule that requires firing all weapons that can fire," - which isn't actually a rule-book rule, but instead the "Weapons Sabotaged" stratagem. In the case of this stratagem- yes, "weapon type" refers to the same specific weapon. So, "boltguns" or "plasma guns" or "pulse carbines" or whatever.

"For mission 3 Tertiary objective Damned if you do damned if you don't[ can a unit with the weapon that is "fire it and you lose seven points" fire it's other weapons, aside from the one that is affected by this Tertiary Objective?"

Not entirely sure how it could otherwise be interpreted that firing a weapon that was not selected triggers the condition for this Tertiary. But, in short: "Yes".

"Does having 19 command points knock you back 10 for comp or 15? The chart has 16-19 as -10, then 19+ being -15 comp."

Should be 16-18. 19+ (which is for the VSFD) is -15.


Hey, Brin,

Regarding shooting all weapons, it actually is a rule, which was updated in the main rulebook FAQ to prevent single-shot weapons being "required" to fire if you choose to do overwatch (Knights players brought this up with their Siegebreaker missiles being required to fire in overwatch, if they shot ANYTHING)

‘Unless otherwise noted, each model in the unit attacks
with all of the ranged weapons it is armed with – if a
model in the firing unit has any weapons that can only
be used once per battle, you can choose whether or not
the model will fire that weapon.’


Under normal circumstances, a Knight cannot, for example choose to only shoot with it's Avenger Gattling Cannon, but not shoot it's Battle Cannon. Or, a Veteran on a Bike couldn't choose to shoot it's twin boltgun, without firing it's Plasma Gun. Prior to FAQ, if a Knight shot anything, it had to also shoot a Siegebreaker missilewhether it wanted to or not, including in overwatch.

Based on above answer, it appears that you intended the Tertiary Objective selected weapons to not be triggered due to a unit shooting overwatch, or choosing to shoot its' other weapons.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby q21 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:11 pm

So I registered on bestcoastpairings.com. It asked me to fill in my list, but I haven't finalized the last details of my list yet... so I left it blank, but registration still went through. Can I go back and submit my list later? Do I have to?
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:25 am

List submission must be done 1 week before on the BcP App.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:37 am

Carthrodan wrote:
In the case that a unit with multiple weapons is hit by Damned if you do, is it exempt from the normal rule of "if you fire any weapons, you must fire all weapons you can"?



Apologies for that! On account of the rule quoted being for a "model" (or so I thought) and the the question was for a "unit" (and the example was multiple model unit)- I had assumed that was what you were talking about. But on closer inspection I have actually misinterpreted it from the beginning - since it says "each model in the unit" - essentially making it all models in the unit.

TIL. Good catch -again. Almost 3 years into 8th and only discovered that now.

This being said though, even if it's a unit of one, "Damned if you Do" is applied to to one weapon "type" - so, "ALL plasma guns", or "all pulse carbines" in that unit- not all weapons.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:16 am

No worries. The "FIRE.... EVERYTHING!!!!!!!" rule is a little less relevant now that missions seem to be moving away from Sudden Death/game ends and stop scoring.

Going back to Mission 3 Special Delivery, how far away from enemy units must the Troop forced into Reserves arrive?. You answered "as their respective rules," but there is no Universal Standard Rule that dictates 9 inches like many units/rules/stratagems have. .should this be interpreted as "the unit must arrive within 3 of the priority objective marker, and have no other placement criteria besides that?

same mission, if the Special Delivery unit Troop unit dies, it says to select another infantry unit for the objective. Was changing it from Troop to Infantry intentional?

when unit dies, it says to select another unit within 6"... Of the objective marker? Or the slain unit? I've gotten conflicting ways of playing it, with some shenanigans used on measuring from where any model of the slain unit WAS to get a unit eligible

does an all-Knight army automatically forfeit said objective, as they have no Troop or Infantry
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:27 am

Going back to Mission 3 Special Delivery, how far away from enemy units must the Troop forced into Reserves arrive?. You answered "as their respective rules," but there is no Universal Standard Rule that dictates 9 inches like many units/rules/stratagems have. .should this be interpreted as "the unit must arrive within 3 of the priority objective marker, and have no other placement criteria besides that?


I see what you mean for the first part. Since this is an arrival from reserve, it must arrive from reserve more than 9" away from the enemy.

I've not sure what you mean by "arrive within 3 of the priority" - as this is a mission completion parameter not a set up rule.

In the event of a unit not being able to deepstrike, or have a similar mechanic, the unit must move on from the board edge.

same mission, if the Special Delivery unit Troop unit dies, it says to select another infantry unit for the objective. Was changing it from Troop to Infantry intentional?


yup.

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when unit dies, it says to select another unit within 6"... Of the objective marker? Or the slain unit? I've gotten conflicting ways of playing it, with some shenanigans used on measuring from where any model of the slain unit WAS to get a unit eligible"


It's 6" from the Unit. Take it as 6" from the last model removed.


does an all-Knight army automatically forfeit said objective, as they have no Troop or Infantry


Yes.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:52 pm

I conflated points 1 and 2, messed up on thinking they must arrive within 3 of the marker.

So, we are forced to put a TROOP into reserves. If the troop DOES NOT have a rule that would allow it to be set up in reserves normally, it moves in from the board edge of the controlling player (i.e. it is not granted a "free outside 9" deepstrike). This part may need clarified the day of before the mission, I think everyone I've played a test game with has read it as "congrats on your free outside 9" deep strike."

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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby q21 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:32 pm

Brindley U wrote:List submission must be done 1 week before on the BcP App.


App downloaded, list entry space found. Is there any particular format required for list submission?
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:16 am

q21 wrote:
Brindley U wrote:List submission must be done 1 week before on the BcP App.


App downloaded, list entry space found. Is there any particular format required for list submission?



You can use BattleScribe with the most BASIC settings - NOT the detailed setting!!!!

Or you can type it out.

Information that must be included is:

Number of models.
Unit Name
Any weapon/wargear options (ie: CCW and Pistol vs. Bolter)
Any upgrades.
Points cost
Power level

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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:53 pm

The Tactical Reinforcements Veterans Strategem: I've been assuming that the intent of this Stratagem is to "return a dead unit to life" and that it bypassed the normal requirement of needing reinforcement points for the returned unit, but noticed that it doesn't mention reserve points. Do you need reinforcement points to return the troop unit? I.e. if the troop unit being returned is 65 points, do you need 65 reinforcement points (65 unspent points in your list) as well as access to the Tactical Reinforcements Strategem to return the unit?
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:13 am

last question
Do I need to specify use of Armory of the Watch Fortress (extra relics strat) on my list?
Or is that something I can choose to do, once I see my opponent's list (clearly writing it down and making my selections (how many CP, which relics to whom) before any dice are rolled.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:27 am

Carthrodan wrote:The Tactical Reinforcements Veterans Strategem: I've been assuming that the intent of this Stratagem is to "return a dead unit to life" and that it bypassed the normal requirement of needing reinforcement points for the returned unit, but noticed that it doesn't mention reserve points. Do you need reinforcement points to return the troop unit? I.e. if the troop unit being returned is 65 points, do you need 65 reinforcement points (65 unspent points in your list) as well as access to the Tactical Reinforcements Strategem to return the unit?


At 5 CP and the requirement to have a live tech site- it definitely doesnt require reinforcement points :thumbup:

Carthrodan wrote: last question
Do I need to specify use of Armory of the Watch Fortress (extra relics strat) on my list?
Or is that something I can choose to do, once I see my opponent's list (clearly writing it down and making my selections (how many CP, which relics to whom) before any dice are rolled.



The only thing you need on your list (apart from the regular wargear stuff) is:

1: Which model is your warlord.
2: Any specialist detachments.

All other strats, powers and WL traits are chosen after seeing the opponents list.
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