10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

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10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:51 am

Greetings all.

I'm happy to announce that Cape Town will be hosting South Africa's first ITC Tournament (hopefully it qualifies as a GT if we get over 32 players!!

DATE: 27/28 JULY

VENUE: BATTLE BUNKER TYGERVALLEY

SIZE: 2500 points.

DURATION: 2 DAYS, 5 Games.
TIME: 3.5 hours
RESTRICTIONS: As per rule-pack
MISSIONS: As per rule-pack
ENTRY: R150


**************NOTE************

Registration on BCP (Best Coast Pairings) and list submission ahead of time will be required.

Found here: https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/

Mission rules and details can be found here: https://www.frontlinegaming.org/communi ... nt-format/
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:48 am

What date must lists be submitted?

As well, the link to the rules goes to the standard ITC missions page, is the rules pack that is being used buried in the ITC site somewhere? Because as far as I know we aren't actually using any of the missions pack the link goes to.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:59 am

Apologies, I had asked someone to upload the tournament pack here (working with VPNs and multiple devices here in China which makes it tough sometimes).


We will be using aspects of the ITC (in the primary and in the bonus points).

But, ITC although it has a standardized format, does not require this format be played 100%. The hope, however, is that we use this as a stepping stone towards the system - which is fantastic for tournaments, frankly!!
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Ultima » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:41 am

Hey All

You can find the Files for Vets here

Veterans Rules 2019

There are 3 files.
1. Rules pack for the Event
2. Missions
3. Composition pack
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:33 am

Thanks Tristan.


There is one mistake in the pack that is a BIG one- that I thought I had edited out, but somehow a copy paste made it through.

As per regular ITC tournaments, your WARLORD must be noted on your roster. (As do Specialist Detachments).


HOWEVER, (also as per regular ITC rules)

1. warlord traits,
2. relics and,
3. Psychic Powers

may be selected after seeing your opponent's list.


PLEASE IGNORE THE LINE IN THE RULES PACK THAT SAYS OTHERWISE
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:35 am

Carthrodan wrote:What date must lists be submitted?

As well, the link to the rules goes to the standard ITC missions page, is the rules pack that is being used buried in the ITC site somewhere? Because as far as I know we aren't actually using any of the missions pack the link goes to.



LIST SUBMISSION MUST BE DONE 1 WEEK BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:39 am

9 Players registered so far!

Get on it, lads!
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:56 pm

Hey, Brin, per your email posting here

Noticed mission 2 uses Strat. Engagement, but unlike missions 1 and 4, there is no "note:on their first 2 turns, players must draw Tac Objectives only from 21-36 pile". Was this intentional or a missed copy/paste?

Misison 2 only has 3 objective markers, but uses Maelstrom. Gotten conflicting answers if that means there are only 3 objectives on the table, or a total of 6, and what is done for Tac Objectives that are for objectives 4-6 if only 3 are placed.

Mission 3: For special delivery:
Troop arrives end of movement of 2nd turn, I assume . Rule says they must START their turn within 3" of Priority Objective, then end their SUBSEQUENT turn within 3" of priority to score.

Does this mean they arrive your turn 2, can start "timer" special delivery your turn 3 (the first time they start their turn on the table), and must end within 3 of the Primary Objective on your turn 4 (i.e. this secondary can only actually be scored in BR 4)?

Or was intent that they come in your turn 2 within 3" of the objective, and start the score timer, and score the secondary at the end of your turn 3?

I.e assuming unit isn't destroyed, what is earliest possible turn Special Delivery is scored (I've gotten answers ranging from your own turn 2, to your own turn 4)

It just says it must be within 3, but not that it must control it.. Is just presence enough? Or does the troop unit need to control?



Finally, how does the arrival of the Forced Reserves Troop interact with units that prevent units from setting up in reserves within a specific range of them
(Infiltrators, GSC Clamivus, for example). As well, do they arrive from reserves with the typical 'outside 9" of an enemy, or do they have unique restrictions (must be set up entirely within 3" of the priority objective)
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:42 pm

From the S&B chat:

For the purposes of the Damned if You Do/Don't rule, Ammo Strats, what does "Weapon type" mean? The weapon types defined on page 180, or does it mean a specific Weapon (e.g All Plasma Exterminators).

In the case of the latter, if a weapon chosen can shoot multiple profiles (Combi-Plasma, Missile Launcher) is it a specific profile, or is it preventing firing of the base weapon?

In the case that a unit with multiple weapons is hit by Damned if you do, is it exempt from the normal rule of "if you fire any weapons, you must fire all weapons you can"? For example, if a unit of Aggressors is flagged with Damned if you do Autoboltstorm Gauntlets, may it still fire it's Fragstorms Grenade launchers and choose to not fire the Gauntlets? They are both Assault weapons, and under normal circumstances both would be required to fire

is Weapons Sabotage stratagem intended to be an unmodified hit roll of 1 causes mortal wounds? . a pretty disgusting combo where Alaitoc Jetbikes (-1 native to hit, -1 Alaitoc) uses sed Lightning Fast Reflexes (additional -1 to hit) to cause a Russ or even a Knight to kill itself. A bit extreme an example, but if it procs off modified hit rolls vs unmodified, the strat can become quite a potent trap.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:23 pm

Carthrodan wrote:Hey, Brin, per your email posting here

Noticed mission 2 uses Strat. Engagement, but unlike missions 1 and 4, there is no "note:on their first 2 turns, players must draw Tac Objectives only from 21-36 pile". Was this intentional or a missed copy/paste?

Yo!! This was actually a missed copy paste from the original, but considering it creates a necessity for a little bit of mobility, I will leave it in exactly as is.


Misison 2 only has 3 objective markers, but uses Maelstrom. Gotten conflicting answers if that means there are only 3 objectives on the table, or a total of 6, and what is done for Tac Objectives that are for objectives 4-6 if only 3 are placed.

This was a mistake on my part that I didnt clarify. There must always be 6 objectives on the table at all times. In games that have fewer "primary" objectives, simply make up the difference by adding more markers.

Starting with the player that chose the deployment area, take turns in placing the remaining objectives - 12" away from others (if possible) and 6" away from the board edge.


Mission 3: For special delivery:
Troop arrives end of movement of 2nd turn, I assume . Rule says they must START their turn within 3" of Priority Objective, then end their SUBSEQUENT turn within 3" of priority to score.

Does this mean they arrive your turn 2, can start "timer" special delivery your turn 3 (the first time they start their turn on the table), and must end within 3 of the Primary Objective on your turn 4 (i.e. this secondary can only actually be scored in BR 4)?

That is precisely correct.

I.e assuming unit isn't destroyed, what is earliest possible turn Special Delivery is scored (I've gotten answers ranging from your own turn 2, to your own turn 4)

Turn 4.


It just says it must be within 3, but not that it must control it.. Is just presence enough? Or does the troop unit need to control?


[b]As per rule wording.


Finally, how does the arrival of the Forced Reserves Troop interact with units that prevent units from setting up in reserves within a specific range of them [/b](Infiltrators, GSC Clamivus, for example). As well, do they arrive from reserves with the typical 'outside 9" of an enemy, or do they have unique restrictions (must be set up entirely within 3" of the priority objective)


As per their respective rules. If you have units preventing them from coming on within a certain distance, awesome.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:32 pm

Carthrodan wrote:From the S&B chat:

For the purposes of the Damned if You Do/Don't rule, Ammo Strats, what does "Weapon type" mean? The weapon types defined on page 180, or does it mean a specific Weapon (e.g All Plasma Exterminators).

"Type is poor wording choice on my part. I meant it to be all of the same weapon. So in the case of a tactical squad with melta gun, bolter and las cannon - if you chose bolter- it would be all bolters. In this case, combi-weapons will count as well, but only for the half of the weapon selected. (eg: choosing melta on a tac squad will affect melta guns and combi meltas (but not multi-meltas for example).

is Weapons Sabotage stratagem intended to be an unmodified hit roll of 1 causes mortal wounds? . a pretty disgusting combo where Alaitoc Jetbikes (-1 native to hit, -1 Alaitoc) uses sed Lightning Fast Reflexes (additional -1 to hit) to cause a Russ or even a Knight to kill itself. A bit extreme an example, but if it procs off modified hit rolls vs unmodified, the strat can become quite a potent trap.


As written, Im afraid. Remember two things. 1, it's a three point strat. 2, its chosen at the start of your opponents phase, IF your tech site is alive and then, your opponent knows it's happening and to what unit. The rest is on him.
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:52 pm

Brindley U wrote:
"Type is poor wording choice on my part. I meant it to be all of the same weapon. So in the case of a tactical squad with melta gun, bolter and las cannon - if you chose bolter- it would be all bolters. In this case, combi-weapons will count as well, but only for the half of the weapon selected. (eg: choosing melta on a tac squad will affect melta guns and combi meltas (but not multi-meltas for example).



Sorry, to go back to this, but I want to be clear, as you're saying "Bolter" when there are stratagems and rules that classify "Bolter" to mean all weapons with "Bolt" in the name (Bolter Drill, Bolter Discipline)

1. If I have a squad with a Boltgun, a Stalker Pattern Boltgun, and a Heavy Bolter, a Stormbolter, and a Twin Boltgun, as well as bolt pistols, does my opponent get to say "Bolter" and that means if I fire any of the above in the squad, I fail that secondary? Or is my opponent going to have to choose ONE of those actual weapons, and only THAT one being fired is an issue?

2. There was not an answer to whether a unit with a sabotaged weapon can choose to ignore the rule that requires firing all weapons that can fire, if firing any weapons. In above case, assuming Heavy Bolter was chosen, that the unit could still shoot normally with all other weapons, treating the Heavy Bolter as a "can only fire once per game" weapon for the purposes of being exempt from needing to fire, if any other non-Pistol or non-Grenade weapons are fired by the Unit
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:22 pm

Brindley U wrote:
As per their respective rules. If you have units preventing them from coming on within a certain distance, awesome.


How far away from enemy models must the unit forced into Special Delivery reserves be when it is set up the 2nd turn? outside 9"?
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Brindley U » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:27 pm

1. In the *VERY* specific DW case you've outlined, no, it will only be one of the weapons.

2. "In the case that a unit with multiple weapons is hit by Damned if you do, is it exempt from the normal rule of

"if you fire any weapons, you must fire all weapons you can"?" -

This confused me a bit- because I thought I took it out - Upon closer inspection it looks as though the draft copy was uploaded.

******************Please scrap the above stratagems file**********************


I will upload the latest one - i will also need to cross reference the latest Comp to make sure it is the final as it looks like some people have the older copies floating about.

Last one i sent out was Veterans Comp_4.0
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Re: 10th Annual 40k Veteran's (27-28 JULY) ITC TRACKED

Postby Carthrodan » Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:15 pm

To be clear, I'm not talking about the Sabotaged weapon Stratagem, I'm talking about Mission 3's "Damned if you Do/Dont" secondary objective

Will wait for re-upload of the rules pack and confirmation that they are actually the correct ones, and will delete any non-relevant questions from the thread.
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